I have been reading parts of the section on dreams and have some questions for Daryl who seems to understand dreams. I did not want to interrupt what he had there so am writing this as a separate section.---I have found scientific research into areas that people tend to categorize as “fantasy” or the “mysteries” because they cannot comprehend or understand what they or others have experienced and tried to describe. I commend Daryl for creating a flow of thoughts and ideas and sharing his experiences so as to allow understanding how “real” these dreams can be.---Daryl, I would like to share a recent occurrence with you because I feel you will understand what was happening.---I was suddenly overcome with a deep feeling of fatigue, like a part of me was leaving. I laid down to rest but was not asleep. I was experiencing another person’s desire to have me there with him. I was in my bed yet I was with him and could actually see and feel him physically though we never touched and I backed away when he tried to hug me. I had been telling him it was not yet the time to meet physically but he ignored my request to wait until the appropriate time. I pulled my energy away and pondered how real this had been.---I feel that this is what one would call “time travel” where you are suddenly projected to a future time but it is not yet happening according to our normal experience of “present time” or our physical reality based upon physical senses alone. It was much the same as lying down and “remembering” being with someone and the same feelings come up and we “experience” again the “real” experience of having been with that person though only a “memory”, or recorded experience, according to personal perception.---Here is a link I found that covers so many areas of interest under the topic, “Brainwave Entrainment” having to do with altered states of consciousness.---
http://web-us.com/binaural.htm
---To quote a description: Lucid dreams, altered states, deep relaxation, euphoria, increased intuition, awareness, enhanced creativity, accelerated learning, psychic abilities, elimination of insomnia and the symptoms of stress, increased endorphin levels have been attributed to the use of binaural beat audio technology. A technology that permits the control of brainwave frequency patterns allowing the intentional inducement of altered states. (research link was there to click on)---This new technology, is based on binaural beat frequencies and their effect on the sub cortical auditory system of the brain. After five minutes, the resonant entrainment effect has induced vast areas of the brain to resonate at the same frequency. The result is a dominant brain wave pattern at the desired frequency. (End of quote)---Well Daryl? After you study this out you may want to learn about “Rapid Eye Technique” and the healing it brings, even to Autistic children.---GOASTRITER

It has long been known that external sounds can affect the shape of your dreams. If you turn your alarm clock down too low to actually wake you up, and set it for much earlier than you would normally wake, when it goes off, you will likely hear it, but its sound will be incorporated into your dream, if you are having one at the time the clock goes off. I think it is possible, for two or more people to share in a common dream. The mechanics of this I am uncertain of, although I think that matching brainwave patterns is a likely candidate. I think that some people can do this through meditation and biofeedback.

I have wondered whether or not this has any problems with space/time barriers. My supposition is that It can freely flow through both space and time, eventually, our technology may reach a point where this can be tested. If I am correct, it might mean that oneday, we may be able to communicate with people long dead, and they with us.

Interesting thoughts, perhaps a bit far fetched, but in 1954 when the Anthology, "Operation Future" was printed, who knew that one day children really would be reading books via computer? Isaac Asimov, thats who, but at the time it was considered to be the most far-fetched idea one could imagine. (The mere thought of every home having a computer in it, who could believe such nonsense?)

Hey Guys ?? I once dreamt that I farted. When I awoke the room was filled with a slight egg aroma. Do you think that may have been a mere coincidence? Could it possibly be that my mind created that sense of smell because of the dream? I gotta tell ya'll, that certainly makes me think twice and I now fully realize what they mean by power of suggestion!!

That is so funny. I can see that you take this dream analysis real serious. ROTFL
Since Daryl is such a big dream analyst maybe he can help you with that one.

Thank you Daryl. I appreciate your information. I am just trying to find a few answers that explain what I experienced. Who is: Guest on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 12:48 am: that has not identified themself? Perhaps Guest shared a common dream with Themightyfionn on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 11:41 pm: creating a Brainfart (slight egg aroma) resulting in a lack of oxygen to their brain and Guest forgot to put a name? Lack of oxygen is another theory for the experiences I had. Maybe matching brainfart patterns on my part? Sorry, Daryl, but I had asked a very serious question and did not expect others to make light of it. No problem. I understand that others are on other levels of understanding and humor must be important to them. Here is a quote by William James, "A new idea is first condemned as ridiculous and then dismissed as trivial, until finally, it becomes what everybody knows." Good points about "Operation Future" Daryl. I shudder to think where civilization would be without those inspired while thinking of things that others "never thought of".---GOASTRITER

HHhhmmm.... looks like only daryl and I are courageous enough to identify ourselves. Oh well, Guest1, I find or at least try to find humor in most everything. But to put a more serious point dreams in sleep are nothing more than the brains digestive processes. They could be stress, unfinished thoughts, subliminal problem solving and the like. There doesn't have to be an answer or interpretation. People want those things because it makes them feel better but the reality is that sometimes they just don't make sense. Sometimes they do make sense but the grey between the 2 is so great your better off chuckin the whole dream scheme out the window. Why don't you just try and communicate with yourself better. Spend some quality time without modern distractions (PC, Phone, TV, Radio) find peace with yourself and maybe you won't need to ask others. Just a wee bit of food for thought, please be careful of the digestion. he he he he

Okay then... oh mighty dream person. Please explain to me why most of my dreams are all natural desaster related and just why the only ones that frighten me are the ones with tornadoes in them, plus the fact that i have the most fun when the volcanoes in my dream are erupting.. in all honesty the scarest dreams are the once with "spectors" in them.. or am i just odd.

KS

Daryl, i agree though it is possible that at some point we could be communication through the electro magnectic interaction of our minds, though i would suppose it would only be effective only over short range. as for time/space. it might only work in that way if we could discover the small ripples that are created in this fifth dimention , but that's a few hundred years off. and then maybe we could use such areas for matter transferance as well.

KS

ps LR says that slight eggy smell is the escape of hot air from Fionn's ego*g* (what ever that means) sorry Fionn just following instructions. (shrug)

Go to the Dream section of the Tír and look at all of the disaster dreams that were listed in the months before September 11 if you do not believe that dreams are more than the "Brain's digestive Processes." (BTW I liked the Fart Dream)

Seriously though, Dreams are most often your mind's way of dealing with problems you are facing, but not dealing with. Every so often, a dream deals with the future. I wonder whether our mind is dealing with problems that we, ourselves, are not dealing with because they have yet to happen. I'm not talking about things that are discernable possiblities, but rather things you would have no way of guessing at.

For that to be true, our minds would already have to be capable of picking up brain wave across time as well as space. Our own would be the easiest to pick up, because we already match our own brain waves. It is possible that the things that we see in prophetic dreams that do come to pass do so, because we have no effective way to change them. Perhaps our own helpless frustration of the senslessness of an event is what triggers the time traveling brain wave, that leads to the prophetic dream. (This would explain why most prohetic dreams deal with disasters.)

Guest1=GOASTRITER

Officially accounted for, Mr. slight EGgO roma. HAHAHAHA! (First clue to find the humor) LeggO my EGgO roma. HAHAHAHA! (Second clue to find the humor) Brainfarts indeed! Where's my lighter when I need it. HAHAHAHA! (Third clue to find the humor) Must have been the Irish sausage I was trying to digest. HAHAHAHA! (Fourth clue to find the humor) I suppose next time I will FARTget the serious QUESTion and FARTgo all the FARTcoming hot air. HAHAHAHA! (Fifth clue to find the humor)

Hey, this is better than any dream! Who would have thought I could find the answer to my original question with the REAL GENERAL AUTHORITY of humor and dreams? This board is actually a FARTce or put on, right? No serious discussions here?

>>Why don't you just try and communicate with yourself better.>Spend some quality time without modern distractions (PC, Phone, TV, Radio) find peace with yourself and maybe you won't need to ask others.<<
Borrowed a few minutes on PC, hate the phone, refuse to watch TV, do not listen to radio, (waving white flag at self in the mirror and asking self the question), "This is a horrible dream that I am going to wake up from, right? And when I wake up I will find that I am really dead and never existed. And since I do not exist, I never was here, there was no discussion, and there is no such thing as a message board or reality of any kind." (Stuffing huge Irish sausage in mouth, hoping it will digest)

So much for a serious discussion with Daryl. Hope all your dreams come true, "Themightyfionn". You are mighty fionny. (GASping for air and leaving the nightmare behind) Too bad you don't give a person a chance to find answers in life.

Daryl? May I ask an unrealistic question? Are prophetic dreams only concerning disasters? What about a woman who sees a son who is to be born at a future time and because of this dream she has first a girl, then the son she saw, he being born 5 years to the day later that she was shown. All she was shown leading up to this event fulfilled as she had seen. Was this a mere coincidence or the result of her fulfilling her own prophecy? Damn she is good! She not only had a bonus child in between, she actually conceived exactly at the appropriate time to have a son born five years exactly from the date she had been shown!

And a recent occurence, seeing my sister's 4 year old son abducted, killed, thrown in a large reservoir and I in the dream trying to warn my sister? She would not listen to me. I knew the man who wanted her son and it was also tied to her oldest daughter.

After calling my sister at work (as I was so upset) I told her the details. I told her I would rather be wrong than be the 'Damn Fool'who ignored a feeling or premonition and have her son killed. I told her to listen to every feeling. She told me she had a similar feeling but had repeatedly ignored it.

When following up a week later, heard the rest of the story. She found her son and another child on the opposite bank of a canal and headed to the river for a swim. She freaked when my words came into her mind and she went outside to check on the children. She thanked me and said had I not called her and shared what I had "experienced" she would never have thought to check on the children.

And it did not end there...her daughter left work early to find her baby screaming and husband's family not caring for her. They had made threats, etc. of taking her daughter's baby. I had also warned my sister that her daughter needed to be a stay-at-home mom. Much more to it than I have shared.

Yeah, Damn Foolish dreams anyway! I must really communicate better with myself instead of asking others and bothering to call long distance to someone in their workplace.

That is why I said most prophetic dreams are about disasters. I dreamt of my children before they were conceived. I dreamt of many events that seem to be occurring, that if things continue to unfold the way they did in the dream, I can look forward to happier times ahead.

Just because the majority of prophetic dreams deal with disasters, does not mean they all do. In the case of your sister's child, You did the exact right thing. When we get a dream like this, We must do what we can to prevent them from becoming reality. A few years ago, I dreamt a co-worker got into a car accident while traveling to a remote site. I told him, and he said he had no plans to go there that day. An hour later, he came back to me and asked what road he had taken in my dream, because he had just received a call and had to go to that site. (We only went there once every few months, so it was not a regular thing) I told him, and he took a different route, with no problems. Perhaps nothing would have happened if he had taken the route that he had planned on taking originally, which would have led him to the scene where I saw him getting into the accident, (It was the most direct route so there is little mystery there.) but the dream had hit on enough points that actually happened, that he did not want to take any chances.

A disaster avoided, or possibly (as some ultra-realists would say) a person gullible enough to change their route based on superstition. We will never know which. We do know that that day he did not have a cripling accident.

well there is another possibility. We could be picking up on a dimentional us that is closest to the one we live in. One that is close enough to ours that we are picking up on our other selves. and maybe even some of their dreams, or even their lives. we are picking up enough to avoid doing that or having others doing what our other selves are doing in the other dimention.

I know ask Helen, a few years ago i sent her a map of a world that i dreamed regularly in. none of it has changed since i started dreaming about it, except a few more volcanoes have popped up on it's surface.

Mind you i did dream of my step mothers death, but that was a horribly vauge dream.

Sometimes, though, there are those that dream or claim that they dream something and then they go out of their way to make that dream a reality. It would appear that they do this just to make themselves look important. One of those
self-fulfilling prophecy type deals. If people dream all these types of things, then why can't they prevent their own sickness, divorce, or other personal problems?

First they have to dream about them. Second, some things that seem to happen for the bad cause something much better to happen. In those cases, our dreams may just be preparing us for the rough road ahead, and letting us know that things will work out for the best in the end. Sometimes we may never realize the difference we can make by a simple act that seems completely insignificant at the time. (and possibly ever after it seems the same, for we do not understand the subtle differences that act caused.)

The following is a poem I wrote based on a dream I had. I hope it will explain my point of view...

The Hero
Daryl L. Chambers Jr.
Copyright 2001

A young man walked down the road one day
When a Rauni fortune teller on the roadside he did see
The man nodded and began to continue on his way
When the Rauni beckoned, "Come sit a spell with me."

The young man returned (he in no hurry being)
The Rauni mystically waved her hands o'er her ball
Smoke filled its crystal sphere, keeping him from seeing
She told him, "Become a soldier and be a hero to us all."

And so the young man did, and served many a year
Dreaming of the bravery that'd him a hero make
But, did naught for people to give him a hero's cheer
He retired and went back to call the Rauni a fake

She was where he had left her, and not a day more old
As he sat she said, "Ah, our hero finally does return"
Said he, "I spent my life never getting to prove I was bold
And for the years I'd have better spent, my anger does burn!"


"I told you that a hero you would be; that was not a lie"
She said, and continued, as she brought out a old red book
"For you are a hero, though you know not the reason why"
This is a book of what might have been please take a look

The man skeptically took the book finding it quite heavy
He opened the book and a living scene drew him in
A man ran to a stadium with a bomb, and a death toll to levy
He knew how it should happen, but this time terror did win

He told the Rauni, "That’s all wrong he was struck by a car"
She said, "Turn the page and see how the difference was made."
He saw himself in uniform, walking to work, down a street not too far
Then he saw the man spot his book self, quickly duck in the shade

"So you see my hero," the Rauni smiled knowingly, and said
"Though you never knew it, a grand hero you were, I dare say.
For if you'd not been there, all in the stadium would be dead
You'd have been there along with your wife, you met that day


"To be a hero you need not fight enemies in a horrific war,
Nor must you sacrifice yourself to be counted among the brave
But when you put others before you, with no thought of any score
You may never know the lives your sheer presence will save."

*hugging Daryl* cutie, don't you just love how furtile the Dream plain is. i can not coun't how many poems and story's have sprouted from that area of my brain.

As the good docter would say..some times a dream is just a dream. some times it is you minds attempt to spice up an otherwise dull life. and sometimes it means you hate your mother and love your father.... or some such nonsence.

silly chickling *ducks as the neglected dictionary flys past her head. thrown by LR herself.*

temper temper

lol

Kiwisolis, I did not say or imply that dreams don't have a meaning. In fact I have experienced a dream or two come true in my life. What I am saying is that they don't have to mean anything. People desire every dream to have a meaning because it helps them cope with something they cannot understand. PERIOD. Now in your case NOT all your dreams are about natural disasters. You only remember the Natrual Disaster ones. I dare say you probably have many dreams, including those of being an American Red Cross Volunteer.

Fion? i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, didn't mean too.

BUT GOOD GOD MAN!! me a volunteer?*shudder* thanks but no thanks, the last time i was asked to volunteer i got stuck holding something rather slimy and slithery,*worms.**grinning,* besides Laurel told me to tell you, but then she managed to sneek past her fire wall. but shush i'm not tell int the IT department, wouldn't want her to get in trouble. she still can't chat though.. sigh and neither can I. oh well.

*giving Fionn a quick hug then skipping out on the check*

Three cheers for Themightyfionn! Keep up the great sense of humor! The self-proclaimed "dream analyst" takes all the fun outta dreaming. Let's find the humor in life people!

No I refuse, i insist on being so serious that international drama on TV will be put on hold so that i may air my oppinions... yes serious good.. humor bad...

okay kidding

No Self proclaimed dream analysts here. Just a simple person who is given to givin'his opinion from time to time. I agree, life is too short to be serious all of the time, and I am serious about that. *Ducks the empty stoli bottle lobbed by LR*

Hey, LR, you could have save me some! LOL

lol, yeah an i was reading about possibilities in american Scientific, it's intresting theory but hardly serious... sorry about that daryl i was aiming at the cockroach that just walked in the door.

*grinning*

Daryl you are copping it on every board......
Are they out to get you?????????????

*bursts out laughing*

Pontificate, Pontificate ... Please!!

I thought only the pope could pontificate!!!!!!!!!!!!

okay which pontificate do you mean? * opens her dictionary.*

the state, office or term of office of a pontiff

or

to deliver dogmatic opinions

? if you want a pontification well then... what were we talking about again?... oh right

sometimes a dream is just a dream, and sometimes the possibilities boggle the mind.. which isn't very hard if were talking about my mind.

uhmmm I was attempting humour with a play on words between those two meanings ala only the pontiff can pontificate.......

oh, sorry only had three hoours of sleep last night and my brains havn't kicked in yet... which could be a good thing

How many do you have LR?

If you have a hangover, can you put one to sleep and use the others to get by?

lol