The messages below are where we got to by Valentine's day '99.
It was getting confusing. Each new question can now be a new 'Conversation' at the "Mighty Fionn's Inn" level.

A TOAST >> "May the roof above us never fall in, And the friends gathered below never fall out." Slainte my friends !!

Now for some Trivia...At the graveside of O'Donovan Rossa in 1915, who said, "The fools, the fools, the fools, they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves Ireland unfree shall never be at peace" ?

Sheesh.

Nobody told me that was gonna be a quiz.

I forgot to study.

*sigh*

Hint:
Do a search on AltaVista (or the like) for "they have left us our Fenian dead"

Real easy - the bluffers guide to anything :)

Oh, I know....

I finished my homework. Can I go out and play now?

Sheesh... you M.E.N.S.A. types are all alike.... *moves to the back of the class, chewing gum and polishing nails....
mumbles under breath... "bloddy show offs"

MENSA ?? Wonders if thats Yiddish for Tir guys who wear dresses and dance the Pork Chop?

hmmmmmmm and pretend to be innocent Ladies of Tir ????

WELL ACC AND COLLEEN, IF IT'S THAT EASY WHY DON'T I SEE AN ANSWER? Hhhhmmm ??? *Redies his next question.

answer to Fionns travia question....

to easy Fionn.. it surely was Patrick Pearse that solemnly uttered that Fenian creed and praised the Fenian deed ...

*thinks.. it is a pity that more people didn't decide to Live for Ireland instead of Dieing for her

Pearse was untypicial of of the nationalist tradition. He never invoked cherished symbols of a Young Beautiful Ireland as we see in Roisin Dubh or Cathleen ni Houlihan, He wroth no Love poetery , his friendships were always with men, and when he did symbolise Ireland he seen her not as a beautiful young girl but as an old woman,

I am Ireland;
I am older than the Woman of Beare.
Great is my glory;
I that bore Cuchulain the valiant.
Great is my shame;
My own childred have sold their mother.

a piece of trivia for you Fionn .. who said

" Let there be no incsription on my tomb. let no men write my epitaph..When my country takes her place among the nations of the world, then, and not untill then, let my epithaph be written . I have done......"

....... "My friends I die in peace and with the sentiment of universal love and kindness towards all men"

What is Mensa?


Mensa was founded in England in 1946 by Roland Berrill, a barrister, and Dr Lance Ware, a scientist and lawyer. They had the idea of forming a society for bright people, the only qualification for membership of which was a high IQ. The original aims were, as they are today, to create a society that is non-political and free from all racial or religious distinctions. The society welcomes people from every walk of life whose IQ is in the top 2% of the population, with the objective of enjoying each other's company and participating in a wide range of social and cultural activities.


...Oye!

High IQ or ICQ .....LOL

Okay ya silly MENSA'S heres another question......
WHO WAS THE FIRST WOMAN ELECTED TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS ?

Nancy Witcher Langhorne
Piece a cake, got another?

Nancy Astor was the first woman elected to the House of Commons. She was a member of the conservative Tory party. Her main focus was on issues affecting women and children. She once said, "We are not asking for superiority for we have always had that; all we ask is equality." She was the first woman to introduce a bill into Parliament. It was to prohibit the sale of alcohol in bars to persons under the age of eighteen. She remained
in Parliament until her retirement in 1945. She died in 1964, at the age of eighty-five.

I knew that!!!!!

What need you, being come to sense,
But fumble in a greasy till
And add the halfpence to the pence
And prayer to shivering prayer, until
You have dried the marrow from the bone?
For men were born to pray and save:
Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
It's with O'Leary in the grave.......

Can no one Answer my Trivia Question ?

if not I will post the answer on Saturday

Caoilte....I believe that was Robert Emmett in his "Famous" speech from the dock. *S*

Quill.....perhaps that's the way the English wrote the history book. But infact that is the wrong answer. But nice try....here's a hint. THINK SINN FEINN !!!

Right on Fionn.. ok now for another one

to continue the subject on female Members of Parliment, tell me who was the youngest female Member of the British House of Commons was? and the year she was elected?

ah jeez, these are hard ones...I don't know these Parliment ones....does this mean I can't be in the Mensa club!!!!......
Maragert Thatcher!!!!!!! that's my guess...
ah well,,,here's to you all
Beannacht leat mo chara

....*realizing she's in the company of highly intellectual peers... she decides to replace envy with flattery....*

... WAY TO GO MENSA's

*gives Wun an "I'm with Mensa" t-shirt*

*Wonders where the womens_a'*

pssst...we're over in the stoli vat having a party

AMENSA - for the religious
PERSONSA - for the politically correct

AHEM.....I'm still waiting on the correct answer !
HELLO !! *LOL*

Jim I'd say the answer to yours is bernadette Devlin at say.....24 ?

Correct again Fionn...
Bernadette Devlin was elected as the MP for Mid-Ulster on 17th April 1969 aged 21 years .. standing as a Unity candidate she defeated Mrs Anna Forrest ( widow of the former Unionist MP George Forrest)
by a majotrity of 4,211votes , on a astonishingly 91% poll turn out ..
" One day they will relaize we do not have no more quarrel with people who happen to be Protestant than with people who happen to be Catholic . they will see our only quarrel is with the Unionist Party government. For half a century it has misgoverned us, but it is on the way out. Now we are witnessing its dying convulsions . And with traditional Irish mercy, when we have it down we will kick it into the ground" ( Bernadette Devlin.. Price of My Soul.1969)

In the December I918 British General election ..
Sinn Fein candidates won a 73 seats. Among the victorious Sinn Feiners was the first ever woman elected to the house of commons... COUNTESS CONSTANCE MARKIEVICZ who had been sentenced to death in 1916 for her part in the Easter Rising ..because of Sinn Fein's abstainist policy she refused to take her seat leaving the way open for LADY ASTOR to become the first woman in Parliament
In January 1919 the Sinn Fein MP's met in Dublin and proclaimed themseves Dail Eireann ..The Parliament of an Independant Ireland

next question........

Who wrote the following :

The host is riding from Knocknarea
And over the grave of Clooth-na Bare
Caoilte tossing his burning hair
And Niamh calling Away, come away.
Empty your hearts of its mortal dream
The winds awaken and leaves whirl 'round
Our cheeks are pale, our hair is unbound
Our breasts are heaving , our eyes are agleam
Our arms are weaving , our lips are apart
And if any gaze on our rushing band
We come between him and the deed of his hand
We come between him and the hope of his heart
The host is rushing 'twixt night and day
And where there is hope or deed as fair
Caoilte tossing his burning hair
And Niamh calling Away ,come away

LYNN, sorry babe ya got me on that one *scratches head*.

Seamus, WAY TO GO PAL !! The Countess was correct!! Give me till Thursday night to ponder yours.

Note this folks....I don't cheat!! *grins* If I don't know it I'll give you the credit for the STUMP !! Now I'm gonna keep score for correct answers. Whoever has the most correct answers by say Saint Patricks Day will win ONE of Fionn's famous "Handmade" Beautifully crafted, carved and personalized walking sticks. Anyone but cheaters are welcome !!

Hmmmm....let's try this again, shall we?

Is it Michael Collins? Probably a dumb guess..... :-)

Meirceanach's poem ....
"Romantic Ireland dead and gone.
It's with O'Leary in the grave "------
was writen by none other than Yeats

JohnO'Leary ( 1830-1907) ..was the link between the Fenians and the Irish Literary Renaissance -

Comes in but decides to not to partake in any thinking this evening. Mind is still recovering from Medieval exam.

I will also donate a prize for the trivia contest ..

it will be a framed , autographed , 8 x 10 photo of Fionn, Shamrock and Caoilte .. a truly potentially valuable piece of art. taken outside the Tir na nOg pub in Kingston , Ontario . by
photographer Mrogh at the Tir Gathering last July.. a jpg copy of the photo will be

lol ..to continue....

a jpg copy of the photo well be posted next week

To answer Caoilte's question...William Butler Yeats!

OKAY FOLKS......Now we keep score !

Question #1

"Who is the Patron Saint of Ireland" ?

I'll tell ya what...this isn't that easy
he he he he he

St Brigid

Correct answer Aine

what is the National colour of Ireland?

what is the National emblem of Ireland?

Hey Caoilte, I got no problem with ya posting a pic of you, me, & Fionn but you'll need my snail addy to send those ROYALTY checks! *ROFL*

Okay I'll throw in my piece of trivia..........
What nationalist opponent (& Crown Prosecuter) of de Valera went on later in life to become de Valera's Attorney-General?

Fionn...i finally read them and .....yeah....well.....whatever......

Oh! Paddy, dear, and did you hear the news that's goin' round, the shamrock is forbid by law, to grow on Irish ground: Saint Patrick's Day no more we'll keep, his color can't be seen, for there's a bloody law agin' the wearin' o' the green: I met with Napper Tandy and he tuk me by the hand, and he said "How's poor ould Ireland, and how does she stand?" She's the most distressful country, that ever you have seen: they're hanging men and
women there, for "wearin' o' the green."

Then since the color we must wear, is England's cruel red, sure Ireland's sons will ne'er forget the blood that they have shed: you may take the shamrock from your hut, and cast it on the sod, but 'twill take root and flourish still, 'tho under foot 'tis trod: when the law can stop the blades of grass from growing as they grow, and when the leaves in summer time, their verdure dare not show: then I will change the color I wear in my corbeen, but 'till that day, please God, I'll stick to "wearin' o' the green."

But if at last our color should be torn from Ireland's heart, her sons with shame and sorrow from the dear old soil will part: I've heard whisper of a country that lies far beyant the say, where rich and poor, stand equal in the light of freedom's day: oh Erin must we leave you, driven by the tyrant's hand, must we ask a mother's welcome from a strange but happier land? where the cruel cross of England's thraldom never shall be seen, and where, thank God, we'll live and die, still "wearin' o' the green."

Perhaps the harp? as national emblem of Ireland, Caoilte.
"Three accomplishments well regarded in Ireland: a clever verse, music on the harp, the art of
shaving faces."

In Ireland in 1848 the following nine men were captured, tried and convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were sentenced to death. John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O’Gorman,Terrence McManus and Michael Ireland.
I wonder if anyone be knowin' what became of these Irish 9?

Seamus.....Correctomundo....IRELAND HAS IN FACT @ PATRON SAINTS. PATRICK & BRIGID. Chealk one up for the Big guy. Now the answer to your question, The Harp is the national emblem and BLUE is the color!!

Quill...Standing ovation for the "Wearin O the Green" Grand job......Now the famous 9 lads is all but too easy Every Pub in New York has place matts that tell the story. Thomas Francis Meagher, son of the Lord Mayor of Cork and English educated, was Brig Gen'l of the Irish Brigade and lead the charge at Fredericksburgh in front og the FIGHTING 69th and later went on to become Gov of Montana is MY IDOL !! A great orator. I have his memoirs.... I'll let someone else guess .....*warm smile*

Now for my next question.....

WHO IS KNOWN AS MARY OF THE GAELS ???

You are half right Fionn, as Quill had already said the the Harp was the national emblem.(lol thats why its on a Guinness label as the national drink) . Royal Blue is in fact the national colour
so its 1point for Quill and one point for Fionn..

St.Brigid is also know as Mary of the Gaels..lol ..tried to trick me would you Fionn.?

I'll be back later with answers to Shamrock's and Quills questions...

in answer to Quill question

Thomas Francis Meagher became Governor of Montana.He drowned in a flood in 1867

Terrence McManus, became a Brigadier General, United States Army.

Patrick Donahue,also became a Brigadier General, United States Army.

Richard O’Gorman,was Governor General of Newfoundland.

Morris Lyene, Attorney General of Australia, in which office Michael Ireland succeeded him.

Thomas D’Arcy McGee,was the Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of Agriculture and President Council, Dominion of Canada.

John Mitchell,..after been jailed in Tasmania, Australia he became a prominent New York politician.  This man was the father of John Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York City at the outbreak of World War I .

Charles (Gavin) Duffy became the Prime Minister of Victoria , Australia

Guess Caoilte gets all nine of those points, eh Fionn since he took the time to answer them all and share the information with the others that come in here. *S*
Caoilte 9
Fionn 1
Quill 1

now for a little sports travia.. lol

1. Name the Irish runner who was Olympic champion at 1500m in 1956?
2,. what US university did he attend?
3. name the Irish cyclists who was world professional road champion in 1987
4. what other two important bicycle races did he win that year.
5. name the Irish swimmer who won three olympic gold medals in the 1996
6.who was the Irish soccer player that was known as El Beatle....clue.. He played for Manchester United and later for LA in the NAPSL

Shamrock: Is the answer to your question: "What nationalist opponent (& Crown Prosecuter) of de Valera went on later in life to become de Valera's
Attorney-General?"

William Cosgrave

William Thomas Cosgrave, (1880-1965), prime minister of the Irish Free State (1922-32). A member of the Sinn Féin nationalist movement, Cosgrave participated in the Easter rebellion of
1916 against the British and was imprisoned several times for revolutionary activities. A supporter of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, which partitioned Ireland (1921), he became president of the executive council (premier) in the new Irish Free State established the following year. During his tenure he cultivated good relations with Britain, played a prominent role among the leaders of the Commonwealth nations, curbed the activities of the Irish Republican Army, and strengthened the
economy by sponsoring the Shannon hydroelectric project. Although his party, Cumann nanGaedheal (Society of Gaels; later, Fine Gael, the United Ireland party), did not have a majority in
Parliament, he was able to remain in power because of a boycott of the assembly by the Republican
opposition. Replaced as premier by Republican leader Eamon De Valera in 1932, Cosgrave served
as leader of Fine Gael until 1944.

Answer to Shamrock's Question
My vote go's for John A Costello .. sorry Quill good try ...

John Costello
Costello, John Aloysius (1891-1976), Irish statesman, born in Dublin, and educated at University College, Dublin, of the National University of Ireland. He was admitted to the bar in 1914. Costello participated in the Easter rebellion of 1916. From 1926 to 1932 he was attorney general of the Irish Free State (Éire, after 1937), and he was also its delegate to the League of Nations. In 1948 the Dáil, the lower house of the legislature of Éire, elected him prime minister to replace Eamon De Valera, who had served since 1932. Costello and De Valera alternated as prime minister, Costello serving from 1948 until 1951 and from 1954 until 1957. He was leader of the opposition from 1951 to 1954 and from 1957 to 1959; he retained his seat until 1969.

LOLOL
ahhhhhhh jeeeeeesssshhhhhhhhh Caoilte!
Chalk another one up for you and give the man a cigar!

Ok, let me add one.

What well known author came into fame only after he renounced his Irish citizenship because no one would publish his first book? Part two, what was the name of that book?

Hey Guys.....Before we proceed can we please establish some ground rules?

FIRST, only one question at a time. Just because you give an answer doesn't mean it's correct. When one of us gives an answer we must await confirmation from the person asking that question as to whether they are right or wrong. So far a few of us have answered questions incorrectly. ONE qoestion at a time..nice and orderly !

SECONDLY, Only 1 point per question, not 9 or 1000. It shouldn't matter how many answers. One question at a time with one point per answer.

THIRDLY, When answering a question you must answer it with a definite gesture...in other words don't answer a question by asking a question.

Fourthly, any newcomers should be explained these rules and what the prizes are.....OKAY TEAM ?

NOW I BELIEVE THAT SHAMROCK STILL HAS THE FLOOR AS THE ANSWER PROVIDED BY THE BIG GUY IS INCORRECT !! *WEG*

Ohhhh one more thing. In the event you won't be on-line for a bit whoever is posing the question may want to ICQ me the answer so we're all not left hanging. Since I'm the one providing the prize it's not that important for me to get points. But I can be a great spoiler so only give me the answer if your not gonna be around for a few days. *S*

Oh, so now you come out with the rules, Fionn. It would have been nice to have them at the beginning.

Thank you Fionn. Now, Caoilte, you didn't light that cigar now, did you? *WEG*. The CORRECT answer is PATRICK J. LYNCH! On July 10, 1917, by 5,010 votes to 2,035, de Valera defeated this Parliamentry Party candidate in the East Clare elections. He made such an impact on the East Clare voters he would hold onto his seat for the next 40 years! Lynch would, however ,go on to be de Valera's attorney general. Hey, Caoilte, gotta a light? *G*. (only in fun, my friend)

Ok, here's one for yiz all. St. Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland. But what was his real name?

LMAO@ Fionn trying to establish rules to a Irish debate.. never mind the rules Fionn just answer the damm questions.*s .. lighten up pal . Thanks Shamrock..I wasn't really confidant about my answer anyway, so I sent my cigar to Bill Clinton.lol ... Katerra is it James Joyce and the book been Ulysses ?

Ill leave it to my Irish Americans friends to answer Shae's question .. since all Irish kid were taught this at school... clue.. Its not Barry Fitzgerald... LOL

Fionn what gesture would you suggest? ..when we have the right answer..

To Cao: Right author, wrong book. The book that he couldn't get published was the Dubliners. It took 9 years to get published because of the "political" undertones that were in it.

And to Shae's question: Saint Patrick's real name was Patricius.

PADDY.....Saint Patrick's real name was Paddy. *LOL*
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Seamus Pal....I was just trying to make sure we all have our chance without getting trampled over is all. These questions are flying all over the place and the answers can't seem to catch up. *S*
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QUILL, The rules were never established cause I didn't think we'd need them. Guess I was wrong.

Sorry for jumping in, Fionn. *stands in queue*

I still haven't got the right answer, though.

LMAO @ Shae back boy ....
has no one got the answers to my sports trivia questions? I'll give you untill Wednesday evening to answer...if no one answers Shae's question by then, I'll tell you that answer too..*g

*wonders about Shae's question* Got my answer from How the Irish Saved Civilization. Is there yet another source?

Katerra, take that book with a tiny pinch of salt. I'll give you a hint. Search for me on the web.

Shae Clancy

Addendum! In the two 'Lives' of Patrick, a few different names are given for him. The one I'm looking for begins with 'S'.

Katerra, Patricius was a title given to people who had a certain status in Roman society. They were elevated above the plebians. So, Patricius was just a title applied to the person we now know as Patrick.

Guess no one want's to play .. must be Fionn's Rules..lol

anyway here are the answers to my sports trivia

1. Ron Delaney
2. Villanova
3. Stephen Roche
4. Tour De France, Giro Italia
5. Michelle Smith
6. George Best

Answer to Shae's Question:
Almost 1500 years ago the patron saint and national hero of Ireland was born to a Gaelic family who had migrated to Britain. The child was called SUCCAT, which means "warlike".
Since Britain was part of the Roman Empire and had become Christian, the child was baptized and called Patricius, meaning "noble".

Fair play to ya, Caoilte!

Bishop Tírechán had four names for Patrick:

Magonus (famous), Succetus (god of war), Patricius (father of the citizens) and Cothirtiacus (because he served four druids).

Muirchú's 'Life of St. Patrick' gives something similar:

Sochet when he was born, Cothriche when he was a slave, Mauonius when he was a student, Patrick when he was ordained.

I don't see any outstanding questions, so I'll give you an easy one this time. What was Cú Chullain's original name?

i searched .. i found ..
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8700035/stpatric.html

~Shae~
Twas Setanta.

Just a Quickie .... what do the following people all have in common

Wolfe Tone
Henry Joy McCraken
Ian Paisley
Charles Stewart Parnell
Lord Edward Fitzgerald
David Trimbel
Robert Emmet
Edward Carson

Irishmen ( united or otherwise) is NOT the answer

Cao .. i am a bit worried about this McCraken fella .. he has the same middle name as me *raises eyebrows* .. did he have really mean parents, too? *L*

Setanta is correct, guest. Have a cigar!

~Shae~
Don't smoke,would prfer something else.
Question: Who was Setanta's foster brother?

LOL@ lacie.. I guess that means you can't answer the question.

your guess is correct, Cao ... *hands the man a cigar* ... LMAO ............. they are all prodestant leaders though. *s*

"protestant leaders" might not be the best way of putting it. :)
There are protestant names there that at least one "protestant leader" (e.g. Paisley) would label as "Sinn Féin /IRA" if they were alive today.

ooops ... *politically incorrect lacie* ..... sorry, no offence meant.

*sits back in the corner quietly*

The question: What Katerra is going to get on her Folklore collection paper if people don't add stories to the "Foklore of Tir" conversation? :o)~

Question....."Who was Ireland's first canonized Saint ?

And last I can figure the score was Fionn 1, Caoilte 1 and Quill 1. Whats the score now >

Accasbel, none of the people mentioned in my question were IRA or Sinn Fein ...
Lacie has in fact came up with the right answer.
All the people listed were Irish Protestant leaders even though they range from extreme Republicians right across the spectrum to the right wing of Unionism.
. The point of the question( as with all my questions there is a learning factor..lol ) is to show that in Irish politics, the simple theory, of it been a Protestant /Catholic thing is not alltogether correct especially in the North where over the years many Nationalist leaders have in fact been Protestant. and the real cause of the troubles in the North have been the fact that the working class was split purposely by the combined efforts of the Roman Catholic and Anglian Churches ,with the help of the Orange & Hibernian Orders, so that they could hold on to their power base

Fionn, My answer to your question is ...
Oliver Plunkett

Oliver Plunkett was born in Loughcrew in County Meath, on November 1, 1625. In 1647, he went to study for the priesthood in the Irish College in Rome. On January 1, 1654, he was ordained a priest in the Propaganda College in Rome.
Due to religious persecution in Ireland, it was not possible for him to return to minister .
Oliver taught in Rome until 1669, when he was appointed Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of Ireland. Archbishop Plunkett soon established himself as a man of peace and, with religious fervor, set about visiting his people, establishing schools, ordaining priests, and confirming thousands.
1673 brought a renewal of religious persecution, and bishops were banned . Archbishop Plunkett went into hiding, suffering a great deal from cold and hunger. His many letters showed his determination not to abandon his people,
The persecution eased a little and he was able to move more openly among his people. In 1679 he was arrested and falsely charged with treason. The government in power could not get him convicted at his trial in Dundalk. He was brought to London and was unable to defend himself because he was not given time to bring his own witnesses from Ireland. He was put on trial, and with the help of perjured witnesses, was sentenced to be hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn. With deep serenity of soul, he was prepared to die, calmly rebutting the charge of treason, refusing to save himself by giving false evidence against his brother bishops. Oliver Plunkett publicly forgave all those who were responsible for his death on July 1, 1681. On October 12, 1975, he was canonized a saint. His feast day is July 11.

*wondering if there's a way to come up with points even though she's clueless about all of the above....thinking how absolutely cool a handmade walking stick would be....*

pssssst.... hey, Lost Soul, if you can't play in the game, it's always a good idea to stand on the side line and be a Cheerleader

Rah, Rah, Sis Boom Bah.....
Goooooooo Cao!

*throws a pom at Lost Soul*

*oof, caught it* Hmmm...do we get to wear those short skirts and get tossed into the air by big hunky cheerdudes? *L*

As soon as they have scheduled their hernia surgery LS *wink*

*splatters pepsi all over her keyboard when she busts up laughing!!!!!!*

My apologies for the brief sabbatical folks.... Caolite That's the incorrect answer my friend. Please try again. *snickers* Would you like a hint ???
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*wonders what the color scheme is that the cheerleaders are using*

Fionn are you saying that Laurence O' Toole was the first cannonised Irish saint .. well I'm not saying your wrong but I would like you to provide the actual cannionisation date ..as you know there are many irish saints from ther the old Celtic Christian Church when Ireland was know as the land of saints and scholars (Kevin, Edna, Cloumba ,Columbanus,Fintan,Kerian, Brendan,Jarlath,Colman & Declan ete, etc to name a few) it is doubtful if any of these were actually cannionised, more likley it was more tradition than anything else .. however I do give you that Laurence O'Toole is saint of the church he died in 1180 and his feast day is November 14th...But if you are going on dates of death I would then suggest the St. Malachy was a saint before Laurence as be died in 1148 his feast day is on Nov 3rd. ...lol...l maybe he dosn't count as he was an Ulsterman..
If anyone has any relevant information I would be really interested in hearing it.

someone once told me.... I must be a scholar , cause, as sure as hell I'm not a saint..lol

Well, green of course! Complimented with royal blue...whatcha think wunda? The pleats and stripes could be blue on the green base. Green and blue poms and of course our dazzling smiles!! *L* *wonders if the surgeries are scheduled-she wants to start "interviewing" candidates-WEG*

the old people have all the correct answers...*sigh*

not that i don't especially like the old people hahahaha *wink* especially the men.....LOL okay okay i'll stop...*eg*

Caoilte, remember this lad. Your not a Saint until such time as your canonized as such. Saint Lawrence O'Toole who was born in Kildare around 1125-8 and died in 1180 was the first Saint by virtue of being Canonized First in 1225 by Honorius the III. Whether you lived and died first or not doesn't come into the equation pal.

Then what about all the early Irish saints..lol.. do they not count?
ok I'll give you Laurence since you did say "cannionised saint " and i can't find anything on canninisation dates on Malachy or Laurence but i still think malaghy micht have been frist

Saints of Ireland & Feast Days

3 Jan................. St. Mainchin,
15 Jan ...............St. Ita,
30 Jan ...............St. Adian,
2 Feb .................St. Brigid,
7 Feb .................St. Mel,
17 Feb............... St. Fintan,
5 Mar ................St. Kieran,
8 Mar ................St. Senan,
17 Mar ..............St. Patrick, ( not really Irish, but what the heck, we'll take him , he's good for the economy )
15 May .............St. Carthage
16 May .............St. Brendan,
4 Jun .................St. Kevin,
6 Jun .................St. Jarlath
7 Jun .................St. Colman
9 Jun .................St. Columba
8 Jul .................St. Kilian
10 Jul ...............St. Oliver Plunkett,
24 Jul ...............St. Declan,
9 Aug ................St. Nathy,
9 Aug ................St. Felim,
12 Aug .............St. Attracta,
12 Aug .............St. Lelia,
12 Aug ..............St. Muredach,
14 Aug .............St. Fachanan,
23 Aug ............St. Eugene,
30 Aug ............St. Fiacra
4 Sep ...............St. Mac Nissi,
9 Sep ...............St. Ciaran,
12 Sep .............St. Ailbe,
23 Sep .............St. Eunan,
25 Sep .............St. Finbarr,
11 Oct .............St. Canice,
16 Oct............. St. Gall
25 Oct .............Bl. Thaddeus McCarthy,
27 Oct ...............St. Otteran,
29 Oct .............St. Colman
3 Nov ...............St. Malachy
14 Nov .............St. Laurence O'Toole
23 Nov .............St. Columbanus,
24 Nov .............St. Colman
27 Nov .............St. Fergal,
6 Dec ..............St Nicholas,
12 Dec .............St. Finnian,
18 Dec ..............St. Flannan,
20 Dec ..............St. Fachanan,

not to metion St Van, St Bono & St Jack Charlton LOL

A question for you Fionn....
What two religious events,( both presided over by Englishmen), greatly effected the future history of Ireland.One happened in 664 the other in 1154?,,, Name the events and the Englishmen involved?

Hhhhmmm..... well Seamus. Sounds like you've stumped me. I can't think of anything in those years that are construed as RELIGIOUS EVENTS THAT WOULD HAVE A GREAT AFFECT ON IRISH HISTORY. Ofcourse both time periods have similar stories of Dermot. MacMurrough loss against the other cheiftains prompted him to seek assistance from Henry which set up the Norman Invasion in 1169.
But thats political events not religious right?
HHhhhmmmm..... and 664 ?

I must be lost...I could have sworn I was going to win some of Ben Goldstein's money here. I am probably about 98% sure I am in the top 2% of the bottom 50% icq'ers. So say the Clinton pollsters.

Not such a gay place with the Irish trivia as Ben's money$$$$$$$???? Some REAL Irishmen here! That Caoilte dude is one smart guy!!! *Looking at Cao's cheat sheets* Do those come in King size? *G*

Sure got cute cheerleaders here, guys!:))

Close but no cigar Fionn .. I'll not give the answer untill the weekend , in hopes that someone else may be able to provide it.....
Remember Fionn in Irish history relegion and politics are never far apart ..*s

a modern history Question,..

What famous WW1 battle did the 36th. Ulster Division and the 16th Irish Division take part.

Synod of Whitby, 664?? Can't remember the Englishman involved--and 1154 is definitely a stumper.

Seamus, NOT FAR APART aye ? Me thinks your setting me up *S* Now the answer to your question I'd say the battle was Dunkirk ?
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Now tis my turn.......
In 1866 what country did the Fenian Brotherhood attempt to invade and hold hostage for Ireland's freedom ?

Ohh...sorry pal, I remember the rules don't answer a question with a question.

*in a very definite tone he replies*
The battle was definetly Dunkirk !!
( ? ) LMAO
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Now for a toast !!
"May you have food and raiment,
A soft pillow for your head,
May you be forty years in heaven
Before the devil knows your dead !!

Bottoms Up !!!!
*Beaming smile*

A small verse I found 'bout meself..*g*

Chosen leaf of Bard & Chief,
Old Erin's native Shamrock!
Says Valour,"See they spring for me
those leafy gems of morning!"
Says love,"No, no, for me they grow,
My fragrant path adorning!"
But Wit perceives the triple leaves,
And cries,-"O do not sever
A type that blends three godlike friends,
Love, Valour, Wit for ever!
O! the Shamrock, the green, immortal Shamrock!!


..author unknown, Fionn, but the little rhyme touched me heart.

Fionn, I know the answer to your question couldn't be Canada because we weren't a country in 1866*smile*. The states did arrest one of the leaders involved he was sentanced to something like three years and fined about $10.00, he received a presidential pardon after three months. His name escapes me at the moment so that will be my question to you. I do have the answer somewhere
and will post his name and the exact sentance he served when I find it.

LOL.. Fionn did you not read my story about the Fenian Raid on Katerra's board? .. Folklore of Tir

the answer
to my Ouestions were..

644 was, as Roisin said the Synod of Whitby, prisided over by English King Oswy , this was where the old Celtic Christian Church was forced to acccept obedience to the Bishop of Rome ( the pope), untill then Celtic Chrisianity owed allegiance to Rome only as the original source of her conversion .
in 1154 Pope Adrian IV , the only English pope, issued a Papal Bull giving Henry 2 the right of conquest of Ireland " for the good of the Immoral souls of her people" .


the battle where both the 36th (Ulster ) division and the 16th (Irish) division fought in the first world war was at the Somme

see Ireland's forgotten soldiers...

http://freespace.virgin.net/sh.k/xvidiv.html

and

the 36th Ulster Division

http://www.infosites.net/general/the-great-war/36art01.htm

Caoilte, just checked Katerra's board, very good but I still have three months as the time served.
Try this one, John O'Neill appointed Henri Le Caron the postion Major and Military Organizer in the Service of the Irish Republic. What was Le Caron real name and what was his other job?

Tecumseh...
John O'Neill, was elected President of the Senate of the IRB and He attempted yet another Raid at Prescott in 1870 but failed.
Then he made an offer to Louis Riel (fighter for the rights of the Metis in Manitoba and descendant of an Irishman (O')Rielly) to lead a Fenian army at Red River and this failed also ..
I am pretty sure it was Riel who fought under under the name Henri Le Caron

Riel, Louis
1844-85, Canadian insurgent leader. He led Native Americans and métis (half-breeds) in the RED RIVER SETTLEMENTS of MANITOBA to rebel (1869-70) when their land was transferred from the HUDSON'S BAY COMPANY to the Canadian government, but the rebellion collapsed, and Riel fled. Returning to Canada (1884), he led rebels attempting to secure land titles in SASKATCHEWAN. In an engagement (1885) at Batoche, Riel was captured, tried, and hanged.

*cheers for Caoilte* .. see, i told ya, tec *grin*

A new Question... another sports trivia...

Today Eddie Irvine won his first F1 car race in Australia .. Name the only other Irish born driver to win an F1 race

Hey guys!
How about starting a new conversation? If this topic gets any longer, I'll have to chop the 'Add message'
And I do so hate to unveil my darker side :)

Jimmy Stewart?

*yippee* .. a new??!! conversation? *L* .. takes soooooo long to load !! .... *calls in the housekeeper* .. pweeease?

Lost Soul .. Jimmy Stewart was a great actor but I dont think he ever raced cars..
the Answer is John Watson .... see
http://www.sci.fi/~samkos/Drivers/watson.htm

ok Accasbel.. I'll maybe start a Irish Sports Trivia board if there is an interest ...

Didn't mean the actor, silly....wasn't there a famous car driver named Jimmy Stuart (maybe spelling was wrong)? He used to commentate the races years ago after he stopped racing. I imagine he's actually Scots, but he's the first one that came to mind... =)

I Think you mean Jackie Stewart , Lost Soul, but it was a good try

see
http://www.ford.com/us/motorsport/3-3stewart.html
http://www.globec.com.au/~krugodam/teams/stew.htm

You're right!!! *looks sheepishly about to see if anyone else caught her mistake*

Henri Le Caron also known as Thomas Millar Beach, an English spy. This is my last post here as I do not want Accasbel chopping anything off!

Rock, please call me. I lost your number !

ya kidding Fionn ??? we loaded this whole damn page, just so you could find Sham's number ... ever heard of icq??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!

*Removes the cob webs and tidies the place up* HHhmmm..... what to do, what to do? It'd be a shame to let this room die. Perhaps I should get some more trivia and toasts goin ? BRB

May the road rise up to meet your feet.
May the wind be always at your back.
And may the answer to life always be 42.

May your right hand always be stretched out in friendship,
But never in want

Nice thoughts from lovely people. Thanks for the contribution!

'May the road rise up to meet you'. . ..Bleccchhhh!

That's a direct, but incorrect, translation of 'Go n-éirigh an mbothar leat.' The real meaning is 'May the path you choose be successful.'

Accasbel, can you please delete all past posts on this board? I'd like to start from scratch please?

I'm psyching myself up (to make the time) for a general clear-up.

However, the best thing to do with an over-long section is to stop posting to it.
Anyone can start a new topic (as opposed to adding to an existing one).

*sprinkles wench perpetual dust*

I've just noticed--last message on here was posted 6 July '99. Nothing on this board for six months? Come on, people, where's the spirit(s)? (Looking for that pesky fifth of Black Bush...)

Not really related to anyone Irish, but who wrote this?:
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness starving hysterical naked/Wandering the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix..."

Truth be known t'was I who started the insanity. WHO ELSE? *weak smile*